The Fetzer Institute, helping to build the spiritual foundation for a loving world. I ran into a lot of people who said they don’t think they would’ve lived if they had stayed.

I love old houses. Wilkerson: And it passes on through the generations, which is how it reverberates to our current-day, unaddressed stress. Every time I talk about it, I gain new appreciation and gratitude and amazement at what they were able to do.

So, it’s so terrible, it’s so inexplicable, and you have no idea how you could make a difference. Lots of laws were passed, actually, in the 1860s, and then they had to be revisited in the 1960s. Those suffering from drug overdoses, gentrification, poverty and a bleak future? It is, hands down, the best work of nonfiction I have ever read. And so one of them for me was George Swanson Starling. Wilkerson: It’s looking into the human heart and examining it and allowing ourselves to feel the pain of others. Tippett: And heart. And often, they — there’s a refrain that comes across. Our lovely theme music is provided and composed by Zoë Keating. I often say that the book is viewed as being a book about the Great Migration, and over time, as I’ve talked about it over these years, I’ve come to realize that it’s not about migration. It’s the spiritual aspect. [laughter]. The close to 60 million who have been displaced as a result of American wars over the past two decades? And I think that as my cumulative conversation has progressed, I have a much more expansive imagination about what that is, the spiritual background of one’s childhood. And that’s before he will even see you. It was the convergence of people who might have looked different from one another that created the impulse to define people on the basis of what they looked like. They were living in the Vice Districts. And the South, for the same reasons, was keeping people in. Wilkerson is part of an erasure of the brutality of colonialism from history.

If you’re on the beneficiary end of it, you didn’t ask to be on the beneficiary end of it. And so people will often say, “Why is it that those people do that thing?” The only answer to that question is, “Why do human beings do what they do when they’re in that situation?” And it calls for radical empathy in order to put ourselves inside the experiences of another and to allow ourselves the pain, allow ourselves the heartbreak, allow ourselves the sense of hopelessness, whatever it may be that they’re experiencing. Tippett: There’s something you said — oh, you spoke about how part of what drives you as an aspiration “is to find strength in the discovery of what is true.” And I think what you’re describing is, however hard the truth is, it does complete us. Oprah promised that she’d call everyone she knew to tell them about the book, which she said had “touched her soul.”. He said to himself, ‘Actually, yes, I am an untouchable. And that is that there’s so many things disturbing about them, and the videos are showing them. Where is the threat once they are already near death?

Du Bois was one of the most extraordinary minds of American and global history. Learn about cutting-edge research on the science of generosity, gratitude, and purpose at templeton.org/discoveries. I mean, on the one side, people don’t want to really think about the awful things going on around them. I think that what’s freeing about it — it’s liberating because it takes it away from the personal. If you think about it on both sides of this caste system or this divide, there was not much incentive for anyone to talk about it. Before that, there was no concept of race as we now know it.

It’s a carrier of histories, stories, truths that help make sense of human and social challenges newly visible at the heart of our life together. It traces the roots of American racism back to another continent centuries ago, and uses the metaphor of an old house to describe how we can begin to take responsibility for something we didn’t ourselves initiate. One would expect in such a book a careful study of the history and characteristics of the two systems, a basis for comparison, and some evidence that they constitute a similar system.

And I wanted to tell you that — I was talking about these people from other different backgrounds who feel such a connection to them, to the people. This is our inheritance, and it’s up to each of us to decide what to do with it.

I really believe that the solutions lie in the South.

It came out the same year. Caste is a product of deep and meticulous historical detective work and a masterwork of storytelling, with the potential to forever change the way we think about inequality. I was overwhelmed with the things that I was discovering. Harnessing the power of the sciences to explore the deepest and most perplexing questions facing human kind. Another thing we’re learning is that empathy is — and this is a problem with journalism, frankly — empathy is not triggered by a statistic. Am I reading that into it? Is that inuring us? These were refugee camps created in our American cities. He tied the origins of racial discrimination in the need for cheap labour and the development of modern capitalist society. Instead Wilkerson is concerned with the 2016 election of Donald Trump calling it a “psychic break” in the history of the “world’s oldest and most powerful democracy”. We still haven’t gotten over that yet.”. The reason I have chosen to look at our country through a different lens—that of caste—is because, in this age of upheaval, we need new language and framework for these divisions. Therefore, racism as it is often spoken of in our current day, did not capture the extreme measures that were taken to repress them. Race as we now know it—the idea of dividing people and addressing them as being white or Black—is a fairly new language in human history. I have never grown weary of talking about it.